10-11-15 The Death Penalty and Corruption of the Courts - Discussion in the Lawsters Group // La pena de muerte y la corrupción de los tribunales de Los Ángeles

 

 

Judge Jacqueline Connor _  Former LAPD Rafael Perez
The Two Central Figures of the Rampart scandal (1998-2000)

1) Mon, 15 Nov 2010, Joseph Zernik wrote:

Subject: Re: Los Angeles Superior Court's Judges Slush Funds - and the Death Penalty.

Bob:
When it is fully documented for over a decade that a judge is corrupt, and yet, she is permitted to continue to sentence persons to the death penalty, that is no "mistake" any longer.  I am no attorney, but you put the right legal lingo on such conduct, not by the judge - but by all of us who permit it to go on...
JZ

2) On  Mon, 15 Nov 2010, Bob wrote:

Joseph:

Try another perspective.  Look at the process of death sentences as the pulling of a trigger in a war.  Mistakes unfortunately cause some of the munitions to kill our own troops with  "friendly fire."  Other mistakes cause "collateral damage" to cause civilians to lose their lives.  And the "fog of war" takes a similar toll.  It seems unavoidable because it has continued to happen for centuries.

Criminal Courts constitute an instrument of war of the people of a state or nation against those who would harm others or put them at serious risk of harm.  SOME collateral damage will happen, for a variety of reasons.  That does not mean we should stop the prosecutions or ameliorate the sentences.

Seems to me the time has come to excise the crooked public employees who wantonly, whimsically, or negligently cause the collateral damage.   Maybe you could start a volunteer roster.

BH

3) On Mon, 2010-11-15, joseph zernik wrote:

Hi again Bob:

Let me combine the answer to your last comments into one.  According to media reports, Judge JACQUELINE CONNOR, who is a central figure in the LA-JR (alleged Los Angeles Judiciary Racket), and was a central figure in the Rampart scandal, which created some 10,000-30,000 Rampart FIPs (Falsely Imprisoned Persons), which the US DOJ refuses to take action to release, even a decade later, sentenced an unknown number of Criminal Defendants to death.

Does that change in any way your philosophical perspective?

JZ

4) 11/15/2010, Joseph wrote:

The solution, which I advocate is to go back to the Salary Act of 1919, and place the Clerks of the US courts under the sole authority of the US Attorney General.  That was a hundred years ago the only measure, which seemed to do the job.
jz

5) 11/15/2010, Bob wrote: 

So, does that mean the time has come to "lock and load?"

BH

6) On Mon, 2010-11-15  joseph zernik wrote:
Hi Bob:

There is no way to address the matter.

Already in 2008, I have noted the secret corporations held by the Los Angeles Superior Court's judges, and inexplicable fund movements in and out of them as part of the evidence in request for Equal Protection of the 10 million residents of Los Angeles County against racketeering by judges. 

FBI and US DOJ refused to respond. 

In response to Congressional Inquiries by Senator Feinstein and Congresswoman Watson on my behalf, FBI Assistant Director KENNETH KAISER, and US DOJ Director  KENNETH MELSON provided US Congress with responses that were alleged as Fraud.

Complaints filed with GLENN FINE, US DOJ Inspector General, regarding Fraud by US DOJ on US Congress were left unanswered, even after repeat Congressional Inquiries by Senator Feinstein.

You should be reminded that already two years ago, Senate Judiciary Committee Chair Patrick Leahy called for Truth and Reconciliation Commission regarding conduct of US DOJ.

The above is also the outline of the evidence that was provided to the United Nations Human Rights Council, and which led to the statement "Discrimination by law enforcement in California".  Discrimination against a region of the country by the government is a violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, in and of itself.

JZ

7) At 08:27 AM 11/15/2010, Bob wrote:

Does anyone have in mind a decent method of eliminating the Judge Slush funds depicted here?
Judges SLUSH Funds 1
Judges SLUSH Funds 2

8) On AM 11/15/2010, Bob wrote:

Yes, I do "maintain that philosophical position [that the death penalty has validity], also taking into account the rampant corruption of the courts in the US". 

As you have demonstrated in your research reports about the NEF,  the courts and their judges and administrators  fall short of perfection.  I suspect they always will.  Should we then say "Well, Hell, let's not have judges or courts at all, then?"

I feel pretty philosophic about life.

I figure we (if we wish) live for a while, die, wake up somewhere else, receive a new body, and fuse with a spirit fragment of our Heavenly Father.  It seems sensible that we then continue our spiritual growth beyond we no longer need a body, and perhaps beyond when we become able to transcend time and space limitations.  It seems likely that we ultimately do so well at all this that we become indistinguishable from the Father himself.

By contrast with scope of the grand adventure into eternity, we spend a minuscule portion of the adventure on this planet, and the consequences we suffer here pale into insignificance. We nitpick over way too many irrelevant worries while we ignore matters of monumental import, or as the Master expressed it, "strain at a gnat and swallow a camel."  Thus, the nature of the consequences does not matter much in the great scheme of things.  We should focus on perfecting our personal  ways of living so as to develop majestic and well-balanced personalities in pursuit of truth, beauty, and goodness.  I notice you seem interested in that ambition as you strive to identify the flaws in and improve the court system.

Meanwhile, regardless of the imperfections of our system, we ought to let consequences of behavior rain upon the unjust as well as the just, perfecting that process as we go.  We shall certainly witness a similar process in Heaven.  We do recall the story of the fall of the spiritual beings Lucifer, Satan, Caligastia, Daligastia, Beelzebub, and the aliens and one-time spiritual beings Adam, and Eve, right?

We should remember two features of consequences:

1.   The consequences of misbehavior have a justice opportunity that truly gratifies members of society, and perhaps God himself;
2.   The possibility of uncomfortable consequences (the "stick") balances the possibility of comfortable consequences (the "carrot").

 Together, these inspire and motivate good behavior, however imperfectly.

Bob Hurt

9) On Sun, 2010-11-14 joseph zernik wrote:

Do you maintain that philosophical position, also taking into account the rampant corruption of the courts in the US?

10) On 11/14/2010, Bob wrote:

I believe the death penalty has merit and no international organization
should impose its will upon the USA regarding the death penalty.

Human rights come with human responsibilities, and a human in a society
must behave according to minimum standards established by law.

Unless the law violates the Constitution, society has at all times the
moral right and obligation to excise violent criminals from the
population without the obligation to feed, clothe, and house the
criminal.

If the criminal becomes too burdensome to incarcerate (such as because
of hostility, destructiveness, uncooperativeness), then the society
ought to have the right to excise the human from the planet.

This right corresponds with a person's right to use lethal force to
protect life liberty and property UNLESS the reason for the threat to
LLP lies in that person's unlawful behavior.

Philosophically, I agree with the death penalty as a means of excising
horrible people from society and from the planet.

You see, in a civilized society, people have the right to remain free of
both the harm by criminals and the need to support criminals so as to
remain free of harm.

Bob Hurt