On July 21, US State Department agreed "anyone who is trying to obstruct the investigation into this crash either has something to hide or has no heart or both." On October 27, the Dutch government states in response to the Dutch Parliamentary inquiries that the US never provided the satellite data on the case, which the US had claimed contained evidence of ground to air missile attack by pro-Russian rebel militias...
Luggage and belongings are seen near the site of Thursday's Boeing 777 plane crash, near the settlement of Grabovo in the Donetsk region. According to Malaysia Airlines, there were 154 Dutch passengers, 43 Malaysians, including 15 crew, 27 Australians, 12 Indonesians, four Germans, four Belgians, three Filipinos and one Canadian on board the doomed flight.
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On July 19, 2014 US investigative journalist Robert Parry (Consortiumnews.com), best known for his role in covering the Iran-Contra affair for the Associated Press and Newsweek, leaks from US intelligence sources data, which diametrically contradict the official line regarding satellite images: "President Obama and the State Department’s “anti-diplomats” are fanning flames of anger against Russia after the shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over Ukraine. But some U.S. intelligence analysts doubt the popular “blame-the-Russians” scenario"..."I’m told that some CIA analysts cite U.S. satellite reconnaissance photos suggesting that the anti-aircraft missile that brought down Flight 17 was fired by Ukrainian troops from a government battery, not by ethnic Russian rebels who have been resisting the regime in Kiev..."
On July 21, 2014 US State Department Press Briefing refers to Russia as likely to obstruct the investigation, agrees "anyone who is trying to obstruct the investigation into this crash either has something to hide or has no heart or both."
On August 8, Ukraine, the Netherlands, Australia and Belgium signed a non-disclosure agreement pertaining to data obtained during the investigation into the causes of the crash of Malaysian Airlines MH17
On August 8, 2014 secret non-disclosure agreement was signed by four pro-US parties - Australia, Belgium, Netherlands, Ukraine (the main suspect) - each now holds "veto" power on publication of the investigation results, without having to justify it. Only after signing the agreement, the Ukrainian Supreme Council (Verkhovna Rada) gave permission to Malaysian investigators to inspect the crash site of the airliner from the Malaysian airlines in the region of Donetsk.
On August 12, 2014 Ukrainian news agency UNIAN (pro-US) first reported on the signing of the non-disclosure/veto agreement, based on an August 10 briefing by spokesman of the Ukrainian Prosecutor General, Yuri Boychenko.
On August 13, 2014 THE VINEYARD OF THE SAKER blogger notes that the issue is off US media "MH17 - gone missing again. Did you notice that MH17 is completely out of the news? We were promised voice and data recorder analyses, we were told that experts would be visiting the area and investigating the scene. We were told that various kind of proofs of this and that will be provided. And then *nothing*. Silence."
The August 14 MSNBC report details the complete lack of transparency, conflicts of interests, deeply disturbing situation...
On August 18 Voice of Russia London School of Economics trained journalist Mark Sleboda tweets the news of the secret non-disclosure/veto agreement with a matching Facebook post. He notes that the Malaysian government involvement in the non-disclosure/veto agreement remains questionable... Likely to be the first English language report of the non-disclosure/veto agreement.
On August 23 the Canadian Global Research site reports on the non-disclosure/veto agreement, based on translation of the (pro-US) Ukrainian and Russian news sources, which are all explicitly referenced. Appears to be the first Western source.
On August 24 Washington's Blog appears to be one of the first US source to publish the news, regarding the non-disclosure/veto agreement, based on (pro-US) Ukrainian UNIAN news outlet and other news sites, using Google translations...
On August 24 OpEdNews.com appears to be one of the first US source to publish the news, regarding the non-disclosure/veto agreement, based on (pro-US) Ukrainian UNIAN news outlet and other Ukrainian news sites.
On August 24 Daily Paul (related to the Ron Paul presidential candidacy) explicitly refers to the secretive non-disclosure/veto agreement. The post is largely based on Washington's Blog.
On August 25 Zero Hedge notes "Russia remains the only nation that continues to seek an MH17 probe as Ukraine has still not released Dnipropetrovsk air traffic control recordings."
On August 26 the Dutch Daily Standard title asks: "MH17... Where is the research" and the abstract explicitly says: "An agreement was signed on August 8, 2014 between the Netherlands, Belgium, Australia and the Ukraine, where each country a right of veto with regard to publication of the research results has. A Non Disclosure Agreement (NDA)". Its main sources are OpEdNews.com and Globarl Research.
The August 27 Australian International Business Times report explicitly refers to the secret non-disclosure/veto agreement, but then gets confused about interpreting the resulting situation...
On November 7 Dutch Hans de Vreij's bloger provides full text of the October 27 responses by the Minister of Security and Justice, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Minister of Defence on parliamentary inquiries:
In response to an explicit question on non-disclosure, the Ministers state: "The Dutch Safety Board is leading the international investigation into the circumstances of the crash of flight MH17 and will decide what is ultimately made public."... "In the criminal investigation, the countries involved in the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) have entered into a partnership with the aim of uncovering the truth. They have agreed to work together and to exercise restraint with regard to the disclosure of information about the investigation."
In response to an explicit question on US satellite images, the Ministers state:"It is desirable that the Public Prosecution Service obtain additional material from the USA for the purpose of the criminal investigation... The Public Prosecution Service has every confidence that it will obtain the relevant material in a timely manner."
Wikispooks gives a good time-line of events related to the investigation.
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Top Three Global Threats, According To Obama
By RT
By RT
November 15, 2014 "ICH" - "RT"- Washington's allies in the Asia Pacific can transform the region into a better place if threats like ISIS, Ebola, and "aggressive Russia" are contained – and this can be done with America's leadership, US President Barack Obama told Australian students.
The leader – speaking in the Australian city of Brisbane, where world leaders have gathered for the G20 summit – reiterated his view of which problems pose the greatest threat to the world.
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"We're leading in dealing with Ebola in West Africa and in opposing Russia's aggression against Ukraine, which is a threat to the world, as we saw in the appalling shoot-down of MH17," Obama told the audience at Queensland University.
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Hans de Vreij's blog War, peace, and stuff in between
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Flight MH17: Dutch government answers to Parliament
Geplaatst op 07/11/2014
Letter of 27 October 2014 from the Minister of Security and Justice, the Minister of Foreign Affairs and the Minister of Defence to the House of Representatives answering questions relating to the MH17 air disaster
Attached to this letter are the government’s answers to the questions put to it by the Permanent Committee on Foreign Affairs at its meeting of 15 October on the disaster involving Malaysia Airlines flight MH17. These answers will serve as input for the government’s upcoming follow-up meeting with the Committee.
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Question 5:
Non-disclosure. Is it possible to rule out one of the countries disclosing details of the investigation into the circumstances into the crash or the criminal investigation?
Non-disclosure. Is it possible to rule out one of the countries disclosing details of the investigation into the circumstances into the crash or the criminal investigation?
Answer 5:
The Dutch Safety Board is leading the international investigation into the circumstances of the crash of flight MH17 and will decide what is ultimately made public. The investigation is being conducted in accordance with the Convention on International Civil Aviation. Therefore, only the Dutch Safety Board’s final report is decisive. None of the countries can veto the final conclusions, which are for the Dutch Safety Board to determine.
The Dutch Safety Board is leading the international investigation into the circumstances of the crash of flight MH17 and will decide what is ultimately made public. The investigation is being conducted in accordance with the Convention on International Civil Aviation. Therefore, only the Dutch Safety Board’s final report is decisive. None of the countries can veto the final conclusions, which are for the Dutch Safety Board to determine.
In the criminal investigation, the countries involved in the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) have entered into a partnership with the aim of uncovering the truth. They have agreed to work together and to exercise restraint with regard to the disclosure of information about the investigation. The government has no reason whatsoever to believe that the authorities in any of the countries affected is failing to honour these commitments. There is a great willingness to work together.
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Question 8:
Do the investigators possess satellite data for the period from 10 minutes before to 10 minutes after the crash?
Do the investigators possess satellite data for the period from 10 minutes before to 10 minutes after the crash?
Answer 8:
It is desirable that the Public Prosecution Service obtain additional material from the USA for the purpose of the criminal investigation. This is a lengthy process because passing on intelligence information to the criminal justice authorities involves legal complications arising from US legislation. The Public Prosecution Service has every confidence that it will obtain the relevant material in a timely manner.
It is desirable that the Public Prosecution Service obtain additional material from the USA for the purpose of the criminal investigation. This is a lengthy process because passing on intelligence information to the criminal justice authorities involves legal complications arising from US legislation. The Public Prosecution Service has every confidence that it will obtain the relevant material in a timely manner.
The government will not at present be making any further disclosures of what specific and detailed information it possesses. In accordance with usual practice, all sources that could help establish the facts in a criminal investigation are being utilised. The Public Prosecution Service must be allowed to assess and determine in confidence what information is usable as evidence. Moreover, the Netherlands is leading the international investigation into the circumstances of the crash. This makes the need to act with due care all the more pressing. Publishing details of intelligence sources now would only further fuel speculation and would be inappropriate in light of the Netherlands’ leading role in the criminal investigation. The same concerns apply to the publication of information from the Dutch Safety Board’s investigation into the circumstances of the crash. It is up to the Dutch Safety Board and the Public Prosecution Service to draw conclusions in due course. This is a process which demands time and care (see also the answer to question 2).
However, the Public Prosecution Service will, in the period ahead, depart from its usual practice in ongoing investigations by giving information at various stages in the process about how it is progressing, in so far as this is not detrimental to the investigation. This approach is being adopted because of the great importance of this international investigation and the next of kin’s need for information.
SOURCE: http://hansdevreij.com/2014/11/07/flight-mh17-dutch-government-answers-to-parliament/
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Perpetrator of the Downing in Ukraine, of the Malaysian Airliner, Will Stay Hidden
Eric Zuesse
Regarding what caused the downing of the Malaysian airliner MH-17 in Ukraine on July 17th, the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN, reported in a brief Russian-language news story on August 12th, that four days earlier (August 8th) a representative of that nation's Prosecutor General office, Yuri Boychenko, had said that (as auto-translated by google), "the results [of the investigation] will be announced upon completion of the investigation and with the consent of all the parties who signed the corresponding agreement." This UNIAN report said that, "As part of the four-party agreement signed on August 8 between Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia [all of which nations are allies of the United States and are cooperating with its new Cold War against Russia], information on the investigation into the disaster Malaysian 'Boeing-777' will not be disclosed." In other words: the official 'investigation' is being carried out by four nations that, as U.S. allies, are hostile toward Russia. One of those four nations, Ukraine, is not only a prime suspect in possibly having shot this airliner down, but is currentlywaging a hot war to ethnically-cleanse the pro-Russian population out of southeastern Ukraine; and the initial 'news' reports in Western 'news' media regarding the downing of MH-17 had said that this airliner was probably downed by the local rebels there, who were trying to shoot down the Ukrainian Government's bombers that are constantly bombing them. Some Western 'news' reports even speculated that perhaps Russia itself had shot this airliner down. If the UNIAN news-report is correct, then there is no way that the 'investigation' will be able to be released to the public if it indicates that the Ukrainian Government (which, according to that news-report has veto power over the making-public of the study's findings) is blamed for having shot the airliner down.
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The Causes of the MH17 Crash are “Classified”. Ukraine, Netherlands, Australia, Belgium Signed a “Non-disclosure Agreement”
On August 8, Ukraine, the Netherlands, Australia and Belgium signed a non-disclosure agreement pertaining to data obtained during the investigation into the causes of the crash of Malaysian Airlines MH17
Результаты следствия гибели Боинга-777 засекретили.
Live Journal, original Russian
edited by Global Research
In the framework of the 4-country agreement signed on 8 August between Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia, information on the progress and results of the investigation of the disaster will remain classified.
This was confirmed at a briefing in Kiev under the auspices of the office of the Prosecutor General Yuri Boychenko. In his words, the results of the investigation will be published once completed only if a consensus agreement of all parties that have signed the agreement prevails.
Any one of the signatories has the right to veto the publication of the results of the investigation without explanation.
Following the signing of this agreement, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine ratified the agreement and allowed for the participation of Malaysian staff to participate in the investigation.
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Mark
Reports Netherlands, Belgium, Australia & #Ukraine signed “Non-Disclosure Agreement” of #MH17 investigation results https://www.facebook.com/gramsci/posts/10152454580569425 …
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Serious Conflicts of Interest in MH17 Investigation led by Dutch Safety Board
CH/L & F/AK – nsnbc 14.08.2014
nsnbc : The Dutch Safety Board which is leading the investigation into the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 disaster in Ukraine published a press release on the status of the investigation. nsnbc asked the Dutch Safety Board for the release of data to independent media and questions about serious conflicts of interest. The answers are not only politically relevant, they are deeply disturbing for the flying public.
The Dutch Safety Board, on August 11, issued a press release pertaining the status of the ongoing investigation into the tragic crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 in Ukraine. The Dutch Safety Board (DSB) explained that some 5 aircraft accident investigators have collected as much information as possible in Ukraine, so it was not necessary to stay in Ukraine to complete the investigation and write a report.
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A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THE VINEYARD
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 13, 2014
MH17 - gone missing again
Did you notice that MH17 is completely out of the news? We were promised voice and data recorder analyses, we were told that experts would be visiting the area and investigating the scene. We were told that various kind of proofs of this and that will be provided. And then *nothing*. Silence.
Did you notice that MH17 is completely out of the news? We were promised voice and data recorder analyses, we were told that experts would be visiting the area and investigating the scene. We were told that various kind of proofs of this and that will be provided. And then *nothing*. Silence.
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Marie Harf
Deputy Spokesperson
Daily Press Briefing
Daily Press Briefing
Washington, DC
July 21, 2014
MS. HARF: Well, today at 3:00 p.m. the Security Council will be meeting to consider a resolution – let me just pull up this information – expanding on its call on Friday for a full, thorough, and independent international investigation in accordance with the international civil aviation guidelines, for appropriate accountability, and for full and unrestricted access to the crash site. This is a resolution we fully support. Obviously, we think these tenets included in it are very important. That’s happening at three today.
QUESTION: Is --
QUESTION: Are you pretty sure that it will pass, that no one will veto it?
MS. HARF: I don’t want to make a prediction, Matt, on what might happen at three. I think we’ll all be watching it. Of course, we hope that everybody supports it, but we will wait and see.
QUESTION: What would you say – and I realize this is a hypothetical, but since you’re so strongly in favor of it, if there was a veto, what do you think that would show?
MS. HARF: Well, I think what we’ve said – well, first, it depends on who vetoes it.
QUESTION: I think you know who I might be referring to.
MS. HARF: Well, I don’t ever want to presume to understand what you’re asking – (laughter). No, but being – look --
QUESTION: Then how can you possibly answer any of my questions if you don’t know what I’m asking?
MS. HARF: What we’ve said is – look, what we’ve said is Russia has said words publicly about supporting this investigation, and we need to see actions now to back up those words.
QUESTION: Right. Well --
MS. HARF: And obviously that would not be an action that would be supportive of the investigation.
QUESTION: Fair enough. The German foreign minister, the Secretary’s friend and colleague, Foreign Minister Steinmeier said earlier this – today that anyone who is trying to obstruct the investigation into this crash either has something to hide or has no heart or both. Is that something that you would agree with?
MS. HARF: I would certainly agree with those sentiments, yes.
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Airline Horror Spurs New Rush to Judgment
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MH17 timeline events
Sortable table of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 timeline events
| Start | Description | |
|---|---|---|
| Report of Junta using civilian planes as cover | 18 June 2014 00:00:00 | Militia Soldier - Elena, from Sloviansk tells of Ukrainian fighter planes using civilian airliners as cover prior to attacking the city |
| Antonov 26 19 blue downed | 14 July 2014 12:00:00 | Antonov 26 transport plane of the Ukrainian Air Force crashed near Izvaryne |
| Mil SitRep for MH17 area | 15 July 2014 01:00:00 | Military Situation report for the MH17 area |
| UKr BUK on TV | 16 July 2014 12:00:00 | Ukraine army Buk system footage day before shooting down Flight MH17 - English Subtitles |
| 1st Ukr SU-25 downed | 16 July 2014 16:00:00 | Shot down near Gorlovki/Gorlovka/Horlivka |
| Ukr SBU comms intercepts | 17 July 2014 01:00:00 | Alleged SSU, radio interception of conversations between "terrorists", "Boeing-777" plane crash (YouTube upload time approx) |
| Leaves departure gate | 17 July 2014 10:14:00 | Aircraft leaves the departure gate at Amsterdam's Schipol airport |
| Aircraft airborne | 17 July 2014 10:30:00 | Aircraft is airborne from Schipol runway 36C |
| Cruising altitude reached | 17 July 2014 10:53:00 | Aircraft reaches cruising altitude of FL310 (31,000 ft) |
| First altitude change | 17 July 2014 12:01:00 | Just prior to entering Ukrainian airspace, the flight climbed to FL330 (33,000 ft) |
| Weather conditions | 17 July 2014 13:00:00 | Map compiled from ICAO weather station data at 13:00 UTC |
| Last ADS-B contact | 17 July 2014 13:21:28 | Last contact by the ADS-B (Automatic dependent surveillance-broadcast) of flight tracking web sites. |
| Strelkov shoot-down post | 17 July 2014 13:50:00 | Post on VK.com, purporting to be by Igor Strelkov, claiming to have shot down a Ukrainian AN26 transport plane |
| MAS confirms ATC contact lost | 17 July 2014 14:15:00 | MAS confirms it received notification from Ukrainian ATC that it had lost contact with MH17 |
| First reports of crash | 17 July 2014 15:24:00 | First reports come from an "aviation source" quoted by the Russian Interfax news agency |
| Kiev says shot down | 17 July 2014 15:40:00 | Interfax-Ukraine News Agency quotes Anton Gerashchenko, a Ukrainian interior ministry official, as saying: "Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 shot down over eastern Ukraine by militants" |
| First shoot-down reports appear | 17 July 2014 16:00:00 | Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to Ukraine's interior minister, accuses DPR Militia of shooting down the plane with a 'Buk' SAM. |
| SBU siezes Ukraine ATC tapes | 17 July 2014 20:00:00 | Reports of Ukraine SBU seizing the Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk ATC tapes of conversations between MH17 and Ukraine air traffic control |
| A Antonov 10 questions | 18 July 2014 00:00:00 | Russia's Deputy Defense Minister, Anatoly Antonov poses 10 questions for the Ukrainian authorities. |
| Russian military info revealed | 21 July 2014 00:00:00 | Russia MOD presentation reveals that no missile launch was detected and that a Uktainian fighter plane was detected close to the Airliner just before it crashed |
| UNSCR 2166 requires truce | 21 July 2014 12:53:00 | UN Security Council adopts resolution 2166 which, among other things requires a cessation of military action within 20 Km of the crash site |
| Black-boxes handed to Malay officials | 21 July 2014 23:15:00 | Reports of Black-boxes handed over to Malaysian officials by DPR Militia |
| Black-boxes arrive in UK | 22 July 2014 12:00:00 | Black boxes delivered to the UK Air Accident Investigation Branch (AAIB), Farnborough |
| BBC confirms SU25 fighter planes close to MH17 | 23 July 2014 00:00:00 | BBC Russia correspondent Olga Ivshina interviews locals who state that two fighter planes were close to Flight MH17 just before it crashed. |
| Russian ATA questions | 25 July 2014 00:00:00 | Russia’s Air Transport Agency publish 22 questions and 6 'necessary actions' addressed to the Ukrainian authorities |
| German AWACS FOI request | 28 July 2014 00:00:00 | FOI request to German defense ministry about AWACS information in their possession for 17 July 2014 when MH17 was lost. |
| Kiev suspends crash-site truce | 7 August 2014 00:00:00 | Junta president Pyotr Poroshenko announces unilateral suspension of the truce with the DPR militia in the region of the crash site |
| UNSC declines truce reinstatement | 7 August 2014 00:00:00 | West blocks Moscow’s UNSC plea to reinstate ceasefire at MH17 crash site |
| ATC tapes still missing | 8 August 2014 00:00:00 | Malaysia New Strait Times reports the Ukrainian ATC tapes as "still missing" |
| Crash causes classified | 8 August 2014 00:00:00 | 4-country agreement signed in Kiev by Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia to keep, information on the progress and results of the investigation of the disaster classified. |
| Dutch PM thanks locals | 8 August 2014 12:00:00 | Dutch PM thanks locals (dissidents) for their assistance with the investigation. |
| Malaysia wants ATC tapes | 8 August 2014 12:00:00 | Malaysia wants the ‘missing’ Ukrainian ATC tapes |
| Crash Site Map released | 8 August 2014 12:00:00 | Dutch government releases crash-site investigation map |
| Ukraine can censor findings | 8 August 2014 12:00:00 | Holland, Belgium, Australia & Ukraine signed a “Non-Disclosure Agreement” that prevents any of them from disclosing the results of the MH17 investigation and gives any one of them arbitrary veto power over disclosure which is binding on the other signatories. |
| Kiev in breach of UNSCR 2166 | 8 August 2014 16:45:00 | Russian Foreign Ministry says that Ukraine is in breach of UNSCR by formally repudiating the cease-fire agreement around the crash site |
| Kiev to resume truce if asked | 8 August 2014 18:00:00 | Kiev government ready to extend the ceasefire near the crash site upon receiving a request from a multinational commission investigating the disaster. |
| German FOI request denied | 13 August 2014 00:00:00 | FOI request about available German AWACS information for 17 July 2014formally denied - appeal lodged. |
| Criminal investigation stmt | 14 August 2014 12:00:00 | Criminal investigation plane crash in full swing |
| Churkin demands ATC data at UN | 18 August 2014 00:00:00 | Anatoly Churkin demands Ukraine authorities release recordings of Ukrain ATC recordings concerning the flight. |
| Crash Investigation Stmnt 9 | 21 August 2014 11:00:00 | Questions and answers concerning the investigation into flight MH17- at 21 aug 2014 |
| Lavrov on Kiev ATC tapes | 25 August 2014 16:00:00 | Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says it is unclear why Kiev does not release its ATC recordings |
| Lavrov pushes disclosure again | 26 August 2014 00:00:00 | Russian FM Sergei Lavrov presses again for full disclosure of flight recorder and ATC recordings |
| RUE MH17 report | 26 August 2014 01:00:00 | Russian Union of Engineers: reconstruction of the attack on the "Boeing" |
| MA to dismiss 6,000 employees | 29 August 2014 00:00:00 | Malaysia Airlines announces plans to dismiss more than 6,000 employees and change chief executives in an attempt to save company from bankruptcy |
| Russia prods again | 30 August 2014 00:00:00 | Russian Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov questions the lack of information from the Dutch supervised inquiry and the absence of answers to many reasonable questions already posed |
| DSB to report summer 2015 | 2 September 2014 00:00:00 | Dutch Safety Board says final report on MH17 crash will be produced in summer 2015 - interim report shortly. |
| Malay team at crash site 2nd visit | 8 September 2014 00:00:00 | second visit of Malaysian experts team to the crash site. Malay defense minister voices concerns for their security |
| Dutch prelim report issued | 9 September 2014 00:00:00 | The Dutch Safety Board preliminary report into the MH17 disaster published. It rules out crew/passenger actions or technical failure as the cause but says nothing else of substance that was not already known. |
| Prosecution Report 12 Sep | 9 December 2014 09:00:00 | Criminal investigation of air disaster to be a long-term task |
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