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2014-11-16 MH17: Australia, Belgium. Netherland, Ukraine - secret agreement on "veto" over publication of investigation report... ================= MH-17 ‘Investigation’: Secret August 8th Agreement Seeps Out Posted on August 24, 2014 by Eric Zuesse. Perpetrator of the Downing in Ukraine, of the Malaysian Airliner, Will Stay Hidden Eric Zuesse Regarding what caused the downing of the Malaysian airliner MH-17 in Ukraine on July 17th, the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN, reported in a brief Russian-language news story on August 12th, that four days earlier (August 8th) a representative of that nation’s Prosecutor General office, Yuri Boychenko, had said that (as auto-translated by google), “the results [of the investigation] will be announced upon completion of the investigation and with the consent of all the parties who signed the corresponding agreement.” This UNIAN report said that, “As part of the four-party agreement signed on August 8 between Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia [all of which nations are allies of the United States and are cooperating with its new Cold War against Russia], information on the investigation into the disaster Malaysian ‘Boeing-777’ will not be disclosed.” In other words: the official ‘investigation’ is being carried out by four nations that, as U.S. allies, are hostile toward Russia. One of those four nations, Ukraine, is not only a prime suspect in possibly having shot this airliner down, but is currently waging a hot war to ethnically-cleanse the pro-Russian population out of southeastern Ukraine; and the initial ‘news’ reports in Western ‘news’ media regarding the downing of MH-17 had said that this airliner was probably downed by the local rebels there, who were trying to shoot down the Ukrainian Government’s bombers that are constantly bombing them. Some Western ‘news’ reports even speculated that perhaps Russia itself had shot this airliner down. If the UNIAN news-report is correct, then there is no way that the ‘investigation’ will be able to be released to the public if it indicates that the Ukrainian Government (which, according to that news-report has veto power over the making-public of the study’s findings) is blamed for having shot the airliner down.
On August 12th, another pro-Ukrainian-Government ‘news’ site,gordonua.com, headlined, as auto-translated by google, “GPU: The results of the investigation [into the] crash [of] the Boeing 777 will be released with the consent of the parties,” and said, “Information about the accident MH17 in the Donetsk region will be published in obtaining the consent of all the parties that are involved in the investigation.” UNIAN was cited there as gordonua’s sole source. ‘News’ media didn’t probe the matter further. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/…/mh-17-investigation-secret…
2014-11-16 US: Nation under occupation! ======================== Police Expert: War on Terror Has Turned Cops into Occupying Armies - And We're The Enemy By Travis Gettys "If you dress police officers up as soldiers and you put them in military vehicles and you give them military weapons, they adopt a warrior mentality," http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40228.htm
2014-11-15 OccupyLondon - renewed occupation of Parliament Square planned for November 21 ===================== Around 40 demonstrators were arrested at the previous nine day peaceful 'occupation' in October #tarpaulinrevolution#occupydemocracy - mostly for having blankets, sleeping bags, sitting on pizza boxes, playing the guitar or holding a tarpaulin during this event at Parliament Square, Westminster, London. Twenty four of the arrestees will appear on a trial together at Westminster Magistrate's Court on 1st April 2015. Parliament square has been fenced off during the protest for 'repairment' and it is still being repaired.
Protest by the Palestinian village of Nabi Saleh, near Ramallah, on Friday 14.11.2014, against the Israeli occupation, against the theft of their land and wa...
2014-11-15 US: (VIDEO) 23 labor protesters arrested outside Wal-Mart in Pico Rivera (Los Angeles) =================== Walmart symbolizes the abuse of labor by corporate America today. jz ___ Athorities Thursday evening arrested 23 people protesting outside a Wal-Mart in Pico Rivera as part of nationwide efforts to organize the retailer's employees, authorities said.
The demonstration began in the store's parking lot at Washington and Paramount boulevards, said Los Angeles Sheriff's Department Lt. Alex Villaneuva.
Protesters were arrested when they moved into the intersection and disrupted traffic, he said.
lRelated High school water polo player rescued from near-drowning in Chino L.A. NOW High school water polo player rescued from near-drowning in Chino SEE ALL RELATED 8 The 11 men and 12 women were released after they were cited for unlawful assembly and failure to disperse, which are misdemeanors punishable by fines, jail time or both.
The protest was organized by OUR Wal-Mart, a union-supported group of employees pushing for wages of $15 an hour and more full-time positions.
Authorities Thursday evening arrested 23 people protesting outside a Wal-Mart in Pico Rivera as part of nationwide efforts to organize the retailer's employees, authorities said.
2014-11-15 MH17: The US narrative is falling apart... ===================== Like the fake intelligence data on WMD in Iraq, MH17 was a key issue in heating up Cold War 2.0. - jz [via Anonymous Berlin] Important: Please distribute! New radar data shows: MH17 was not alone! After the Russian State television yesterday showed satellite images [1], which should document the launching of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 RT German reports on new radar data that a Russian Center for air traffic control in the vicinity of Rostov, were presented yesterday by. According to the records of this radar, military aircraft have been at the moment of the crash in the vicinity of the machine. The radar images were published by a private company for aviation safety. The aviation safety consulting firm presented a snippet of reading a Russian radar station in the vicinity of Rostov, near the Ukrainian border, shortly before and about 20 minutes after the crash.
According to Sergej Melnichenko, Managing Director of the consulting firm, one or two war planes were in the vicinity of the Malaysian Jet at the moment of the tragedy. The data cast doubt on whether the version preferred by Western States, that the plane was shot down by a Ukrainian rebels with a ground-to air missile, can be maintained so. "The data show clear, that at the moment of the crash and then, aircraft North of Boing course moving." Most likely they were military, because the points are very close. The conclusion is that there either one or two aircraft were,"Melnichenko continued.
Wichtig: Bitte weiterverbreiten! Neue Radardaten zeigen: MH17 war nicht allein! Nachdem das russische Staatsfernsehen gestern Satellitenbilder zeigte[1], die de...
False claims of WMD were launched for starting the war in Iraq. Dubious claims of gas attacks by the Syrian government were launched when Obama tried to start a war in Syria. Now it is the downing of MH17 for escalating the Cold War against Russia...
On July 21, US State Department agreed "anyone who is trying to obstruct the investigation into this crash either has something to hide or has no heart or both." On October 27, the Dutch government states in response to the Dutch Parliamentary inquiries that the US never provided the satellite data on the case, which the US had claimed contained evidence of ground to air missile attack by pro-Russian rebel militias...
Luggage and belongings are seen near the site of Thursday's Boeing 777 plane crash, near the settlement of Grabovo in the Donetsk region. According to Malaysia Airlines, there were 154 Dutch passengers, 43 Malaysians, including 15 crew, 27 Australians, 12 Indonesians, four Germans, four Belgians, three Filipinos and one Canadian on board the doomed flight.
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On July 19, 2014 US investigative journalistRobert Parry (Consortiumnews.com), best known for his role in covering the Iran-Contra affair for the Associated Press and Newsweek, leaks from US intelligence sources data, which diametrically contradict the official line regarding satellite images: "President Obama and the State Department’s “anti-diplomats” are fanning flames of anger against Russia after the shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over Ukraine. But some U.S. intelligence analysts doubt the popular “blame-the-Russians” scenario"..."I’m told that some CIA analysts cite U.S. satellite reconnaissance photos suggesting that the anti-aircraft missile that brought down Flight 17 was fired by Ukrainian troops from a government battery, not by ethnic Russian rebels who have been resisting the regime in Kiev..."
On July 21, 2014US State Department Press Briefing refers to Russia as likely to obstruct the investigation, agrees "anyone who is trying to obstruct the investigation into this crash either has something to hide or has no heart or both."
On August 8, 2014 secret non-disclosure agreement was signed by four pro-US parties - Australia, Belgium, Netherlands, Ukraine (the main suspect) - each now holds "veto" power on publication of the investigation results, without having to justify it. Only after signing the agreement, the Ukrainian Supreme Council (VerkhovnaRada) gave permission to Malaysian investigators to inspect the crash site of the airliner from the Malaysian airlines in the region of Donetsk.
On August 12, 2014 Ukrainian news agency UNIAN(pro-US) first reported on the signing of the non-disclosure/veto agreement, based on an August 10 briefing by spokesman of the Ukrainian Prosecutor General, Yuri Boychenko.
On August 13, 2014 THE VINEYARD OF THE SAKERblogger notes that the issue is off US media "MH17 - gone missing again. Did you notice that MH17 is completely out of the news? We were promised voice and data recorder analyses, we were told that experts would be visiting the area and investigating the scene. We were told that various kind of proofs of this and that will be provided. And then *nothing*. Silence."
The August 14MSNBCreport details the complete lack of transparency, conflicts of interests, deeply disturbing situation...
On August 18Voice of Russia London School of Economics trained journalist Mark Sleboda tweets the news of the secret non-disclosure/veto agreement with a matching Facebook post. He notes that the Malaysian government involvement in the non-disclosure/veto agreement remains questionable... Likely to be the first English language report of the non-disclosure/veto agreement.
On August 23 the Canadian Global Research site reports on the non-disclosure/veto agreement, based on translation of the (pro-US) Ukrainian and Russian news sources, which are all explicitly referenced. Appears to be the first Western source.
On August 24 Washington's Blog appears to be one of the first US source to publish the news, regarding the non-disclosure/veto agreement, based on (pro-US) Ukrainian UNIAN news outlet and other news sites, using Google translations...
On August 24OpEdNews.com appears to be one of the first US source to publish the news, regarding the non-disclosure/veto agreement, based on (pro-US) Ukrainian UNIAN news outlet and other Ukrainian news sites.
On August 24 Daily Paul (related to the Ron Paul presidential candidacy) explicitly refers to the secretive non-disclosure/veto agreement. The post is largely based on Washington's Blog.
On August 25 Zero Hedge notes "Russia remains the only nation that continues to seek an MH17 probe as Ukraine has still not released Dnipropetrovsk air traffic control recordings."
On August 26 the Dutch Daily Standard title asks:"MH17... Where is the research" and the abstract explicitly says: "An agreement was signed on August 8, 2014 between the Netherlands, Belgium, Australia and the Ukraine, where each country a right of veto with regard to publication of the research results has. A Non Disclosure Agreement (NDA)". Its main sources are OpEdNews.com and Globarl Research.
The August 27Australian International Business Times report explicitly refers to the secret non-disclosure/veto agreement, but then gets confused about interpreting the resulting situation...
On November 7 Dutch Hans deVreij'sbloger provides full text of the October 27 responses by the Minister of Security and Justice, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Minister of Defence on parliamentary inquiries:
In response to an explicit question on non-disclosure, the Ministers state: "The Dutch Safety Board is leading the international investigation into the circumstances of the crash of flight MH17 and will decide what is ultimately made public."... "In the criminal investigation, the countries involved in the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) have entered into a partnership with the aim of uncovering the truth. They have agreed to work together and to exercise restraint with regard to the disclosure of information about the investigation."
In response to an explicit question on US satellite images, the Ministers state:"It is desirable that the Public Prosecution Service obtain additional material from the USA for the purpose of the criminal investigation... The Public Prosecution Service has every confidence that it will obtain the relevant material in a timely manner."
Wikispooks gives a good time-line of events related to the investigation.
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Top Three Global Threats, According To Obama By RT
November 15, 2014 "ICH" - "RT"- Washington's allies in the Asia Pacific can transform the region into a better place if threats like ISIS, Ebola, and "aggressive Russia" are contained – and this can be done with America's leadership, US President Barack Obama told Australian students.
The leader – speaking in the Australian city of Brisbane, where world leaders have gathered for the G20 summit – reiterated his view of which problems pose the greatest threat to the world.
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"We're leading in dealing with Ebola in West Africa and in opposing Russia's aggression against Ukraine, which is a threat to the world, as we saw in the appalling shoot-down of MH17," Obama told the audience at Queensland University.
Letter of 27 October 2014 from the Minister of Security and Justice, the Minister of Foreign Affairs and the Minister of Defence to the House of Representatives answering questions relating to the MH17 air disaster
Attached to this letter are the government’s answers to the questions put to it by the Permanent Committee on Foreign Affairs at its meeting of 15 October on the disaster involving Malaysia Airlines flight MH17. These answers will serve as input for the government’s upcoming follow-up meeting with the Committee.
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Question 5: Non-disclosure. Is it possible to rule out one of the countries disclosing details of the investigation into the circumstances into the crash or the criminal investigation?
Answer 5: The Dutch Safety Board is leading the international investigation into the circumstances of the crash of flight MH17 and will decide what is ultimately made public. The investigation is being conducted in accordance with the Convention on International Civil Aviation. Therefore, only the Dutch Safety Board’s final report is decisive. None of the countries can veto the final conclusions, which are for the Dutch Safety Board to determine.
In the criminal investigation, the countries involved in the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) have entered into a partnership with the aim of uncovering the truth. They have agreed to work together and to exercise restraint with regard to the disclosure of information about the investigation. The government has no reason whatsoever to believe that the authorities in any of the countries affected is failing to honour these commitments. There is a great willingness to work together.
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Question 8: Do the investigators possess satellite data for the period from 10 minutes before to 10 minutes after the crash?
Answer 8: It is desirable that the Public Prosecution Service obtain additional material from the USA for the purpose of the criminal investigation. This is a lengthy process because passing on intelligence information to the criminal justice authorities involves legal complications arising from US legislation. The Public Prosecution Service has every confidence that it will obtain the relevant material in a timely manner.
The government will not at present be making any further disclosures of what specific and detailed information it possesses. In accordance with usual practice, all sources that could help establish the facts in a criminal investigation are being utilised. The Public Prosecution Service must be allowed to assess and determine in confidence what information is usable as evidence. Moreover, the Netherlands is leading the international investigation into the circumstances of the crash. This makes the need to act with due care all the more pressing. Publishing details of intelligence sources now would only further fuel speculation and would be inappropriate in light of the Netherlands’ leading role in the criminal investigation. The same concerns apply to the publication of information from the Dutch Safety Board’s investigation into the circumstances of the crash. It is up to the Dutch Safety Board and the Public Prosecution Service to draw conclusions in due course. This is a process which demands time and care (see also the answer to question 2).
However, the Public Prosecution Service will, in the period ahead, depart from its usual practice in ongoing investigations by giving information at various stages in the process about how it is progressing, in so far as this is not detrimental to the investigation. This approach is being adopted because of the great importance of this international investigation and the next of kin’s need for information.
Ukraine, the Netherlands, Australia and Belgium are conspiring to keep all information regarding the MH17 investigation classified, a leaked document reveals.
REUTERS/Sergei Karpukhin A man walks past wreckage at the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 near the village of Hrabove (Grabovo), Donetsk region July 26, 2014. Nearly 300 people, 193 of them Dutch citizens, were killed when the Malaysia Airlines plane en route from Amsterdam to KualaLumpur was brought down in eastern Ukraine, where separatists are battling government forces, on July 17.
The document is a non-disclosure agreement signed by the four nations involved in the investigation. It says that the results and data obtained will only be published once all enquiries are completed. The agreement seemed standard if not for a stipulation that states publication of the results would only be done if Ukraine, the Netherlands,Australia and Belgium arrived at a consensus.
"Any one of the signatories has the right to veto the publication of the results of the investigation without explanation," as quoted saying by prosecutor General Yuri Boychenko during a briefing in Kiev.
The nations involved signed the agreement, the VerkhovnaRada of Ukraine then ratified the agreement, after which Malaysian authorities were allowed to join the investigation.
With this, the Global Research concludes that the "intermediate results of the investigation directly prove the innocence of Russia and/or the Donetsk militia" since all data are kept and experts' opinion unreleased.
Curiously, on Tuesday, Russia accused the nations conducting the investigations of lack of transparency.
Read this: an agreement was signed on August 8, 2014 between the Netherlands, Belgium, Australia and the Ukraine, where each country a right of veto with regard to publication of the research results has. A Non Disclosure Agreement (NDA)
Russia Prepares 2nd Humanitarian Convoy "Invasion"
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 08/25/2014 08:45 -0400
Following the 'success' of the first humanitarian convoy, Bloomberg reports that Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said the nation plans to send a second convoy loaded with humanitarian aid to Ukraine. he U.S. and the European Union condemned the decision to send the first convoy of about 280 trucks, which the government in Kiev called an "invasion," and the US accused Russia of painting military vehicles white. This time will be different, according to Lavrov, as the government in Moscow is maneuvering to avoid the border standoff and uproar that marred its first convoy last week, adding “We’ll work on ensuring security guarantees from the side of the militias." Ironically, Lavrov also reminded a "disinformation"-prone media that Russia remains the only nation that continues to seek an MH17 probe as Ukraine has still not released Dnipropetrovsk air traffic control recordings.
Perpetrator of the Downing in Ukraine, of the Malaysian Airliner, Will Stay Hidden
Regarding what caused the downing of the Malaysian airliner MH-17 in Ukraine on July 17th, the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN, reported in a brief Russian-language news story on August 12th, that four days earlier (August 8th) a representative of that nation’s Prosecutor General office, Yuri Boychenko, had said that (as auto-translated by google), “the results [of the investigation] will be announced upon completion of the investigation and with the consent of all the parties who signed the corresponding agreement.” This UNIAN report said that, “As part of the four-party agreement signed on August 8 between Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia [all of which nations are allies of the United States and are cooperating with its new Cold War against Russia], information on the investigation into the disaster Malaysian ‘Boeing-777’ will not be disclosed.” In other words: the official ‘investigation’ is being carried out by four nations that, as U.S. allies, are hostile toward Russia. One of those four nations, Ukraine, is not only a prime suspect in possibly having shot this airliner down, but is currently waging a hot war to ethnically-cleanse the pro-Russian population out of southeastern Ukraine; and the initial ‘news’ reports in Western ‘news’ media regarding the downing of MH-17 had said that this airliner was probably downed by the local rebels there, who were trying to shoot down the Ukrainian Government’s bombers that are constantly bombing them. Some Western ‘news’ reports even speculated that perhaps Russia itself had shot this airliner down. If the UNIAN news-report is correct, then there is no way that the ‘investigation’ will be able to be released to the public if it indicates that the Ukrainian Government (which, according to that news-report has veto power over the making-public of the study’s findings) is blamed for having shot the airliner down.
Posted on August 24, 2014 by Eric Zuesse. Perpetrator of the Downing in Ukraine, of the Malaysian Airliner, Will Stay Hidden Eric Zuesse Regarding what caused the downing of the Malaysian airliner MH-17 in Ukraine on July 17th, the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN, reported in a brief Russian-language news story on August 12th, that four days earlier (August 8th) a representative of that nation’s Prosecutor General office, Yuri Boychenko, had said that (as auto-translated by google), “the results [of the investigation] will be announced upon completion of the investigation and with the consent of all the parties who signed the corresponding agreement.” This UNIAN report said that, “As part of the four-party agreement signed on August 8 between Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia [all of which nations are allies of the United States and are cooperating with its new Cold War against Russia], information on the investigation into the disaster Malaysian ‘Boeing-777’ will not be disclosed.” In other words: the official ‘investigation’ is being carried out by four nations that, as U.S. allies, are hostile toward Russia. One of those four nations, Ukraine, is not only a prime suspect in possibly having shot this airliner down, but is currently waging a hot war to ethnically-cleanse the pro-Russian population out of southeastern Ukraine; and the initial ‘news’ reports in Western ‘news’ media regarding the downing of MH-17 had said that this airliner was probably downed by the local rebels there, who were trying to shoot down the Ukrainian Government’s bombers that are constantly bombing them. Some Western ‘news’ reports even speculated that perhaps Russia itself had shot this airliner down. If the UNIAN news-report is correct, then there is no way that the ‘investigation’ will be able to be released to the public if it indicates that the Ukrainian Government (which, according to that news-report has veto power over the making-public of the study’s findings) is blamed for having shot the airliner down.
On August 12th, another pro-Ukrainian-Government ‘news’ site,gordonua.com, headlined, as auto-translated by google, “GPU: The results of the investigation [into the] crash [of] the Boeing 777 will be released with the consent of the parties,” and said, “Information about the accident MH17 in the Donetsk region will be published in obtaining the consent of all the parties that are involved in the investigation.” UNIAN was cited there as gordonua’s sole source. ‘News’ media didn’t probe the matter further. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/mh-17-investigation-secret-august-8th-agreement-seeps.html
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MH-17 'Investigation': Secret August 8th Agreement Seeps Out
Perpetrator of the Downing in Ukraine, of the Malaysian Airliner, Will Stay Hidden
Eric Zuesse
Regarding what caused the downing of the Malaysian airliner MH-17 in Ukraine on July 17th, the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN, reported in a brief Russian-language news story on August 12th, that four days earlier (August 8th) a representative of that nation's Prosecutor General office, Yuri Boychenko, had said that (as auto-translated by google), "the results [of the investigation] will be announced upon completion of the investigation and with the consent of all the parties who signed the corresponding agreement." This UNIAN report said that, "As part of the four-party agreement signed on August 8 between Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia [all of which nations are allies of the United States and are cooperating with its new Cold War against Russia], information on the investigation into the disaster Malaysian 'Boeing-777' will not be disclosed." In other words: the official 'investigation' is being carried out by four nations that, as U.S. allies, are hostile toward Russia. One of those four nations, Ukraine, is not only a prime suspect in possibly having shot this airliner down, but is currentlywaging a hot war to ethnically-cleanse the pro-Russian population out of southeastern Ukraine; and the initial 'news' reports in Western 'news' media regarding the downing of MH-17 had said that this airliner was probably downed by the local rebels there, who were trying to shoot down the Ukrainian Government's bombers that are constantly bombing them. Some Western 'news' reports even speculated that perhaps Russia itself had shot this airliner down. If the UNIAN news-report is correct, then there is no way that the 'investigation' will be able to be released to the public if it indicates that the Ukrainian Government (which, according to that news-report has veto power over the making-public of the study's findings) is blamed for having shot the airliner down.
On August 8, Ukraine, the Netherlands, Australia and Belgium signed a non-disclosure agreement pertaining to data obtained during the investigation into the causes of the crash of Malaysian Airlines MH17
Результаты следствия гибели Боинга-777 засекретили.
In the framework of the 4-country agreement signed on 8 August between Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia, information on the progress and results of the investigation of the disaster will remain classified.
This was confirmed at a briefing in Kiev under the auspices of the office of the Prosecutor General Yuri Boychenko. In his words, the results of the investigation will be published once completed only if a consensus agreement of all parties that have signed the agreement prevails.
Any one of the signatories has the right to veto the publication of the results of the investigation without explanation.
Following the signing of this agreement, the VerkhovnaRada of Ukraine ratified the agreement and allowed for the participation of Malaysian staff to participate in the investigation.
Holland, Belgium, Australia & Ukraine signed a “Non-Disclosure Agreement” 10 days ago that prevents any of them from disclosing the results of the MH17 investigation and gives any one of them arbitrary veto power over disclosure which is binding on the other signatories. It's still fuzzy about Malaysia; at first Malaysia "categorically refused to sign”, then it might have signed in a hush-hush manner. No official confirmation from KualaLumpur.
Украина, Нидерланды, Австралия и Бельгия 8 августа подписали договор о неразглашении данных, полученных в ходе следствия . В рамках 4-х стороннего соглашения,…
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Serious Conflicts of Interest in MH17 Investigation led by Dutch Safety Board
CH/L & F/AK – nsnbc 14.08.2014
nsnbc : The Dutch Safety Board which is leading the investigation into the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 disaster in Ukraine published a press release on the status of the investigation. nsnbc asked the Dutch Safety Board for the release of data to independent media and questions about serious conflicts of interest. The answers are not only politically relevant, they are deeply disturbing for the flying public.
The Dutch Safety Board, on August 11, issued a press release pertaining the status of the ongoing investigation into the tragic crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 in Ukraine. The Dutch Safety Board (DSB) explained that some 5 aircraft accident investigators have collected as much information as possible in Ukraine, so it was not necessary to stay in Ukraine to complete the investigation and write a report.
Ukraine SITREP August 13, 15:15 UTC/Zulu: A really weird moment in the Ukrainian civil war
MH17 - gone missing again Did you notice that MH17 is completely out of the news? We were promised voice and data recorder analyses, we were told that experts would be visiting the area and investigating the scene. We were told that various kind of proofs of this and that will be provided. And then *nothing*. Silence.
MS. HARF: Well, today at 3:00 p.m. the Security Council will be meeting to consider a resolution – let me just pull up this information – expanding on its call on Friday for a full, thorough, and independent international investigation in accordance with the international civil aviation guidelines, for appropriate accountability, and for full and unrestricted access to the crash site. This is a resolution we fully support. Obviously, we think these tenets included in it are very important. That’s happening at three today.
QUESTION: Is --
QUESTION: Are you pretty sure that it will pass, that no one will veto it?
MS. HARF: I don’t want to make a prediction, Matt, on what might happen at three. I think we’ll all be watching it. Of course, we hope that everybody supports it, but we will wait and see.
QUESTION: What would you say – and I realize this is a hypothetical, but since you’re so strongly in favor of it, if there was a veto, what do you think that would show?
MS. HARF: Well, I think what we’ve said – well, first, it depends on who vetoes it.
QUESTION: I think you know who I might be referring to.
MS. HARF: Well, I don’t ever want to presume to understand what you’re asking – (laughter). No, but being – look --
QUESTION: Then how can you possibly answer any of my questions if you don’t know what I’m asking?
MS. HARF: What we’ve said is – look, what we’ve said is Russia has said words publicly about supporting this investigation, and we need to see actions now to back up those words.
QUESTION: Right. Well --
MS. HARF: And obviously that would not be an action that would be supportive of the investigation.
QUESTION: Fair enough. The German foreign minister, the Secretary’s friend and colleague, Foreign Minister Steinmeier said earlier this – today that anyone who is trying to obstruct the investigation into this crash either has something to hide or has no heart or both. Is that something that you would agree with?
MS. HARF: I would certainly agree with those sentiments, yes.
Exclusive: President Obama and the State Department’s “anti-diplomats” are fanning flames of anger against Russia after the shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over Ukraine. But some U.S. intelligence analysts doubt the popular “blame-the-Russians” scenario, reports Robert Parry.
By Robert Parry
Despite doubts within the U.S. intelligence community, the Obama administration and the mainstream U.S. news media are charging off toward another rush to judgment blaming Ukrainian rebels and the Russian government for the shoot-down of a Malaysia Airlines plane, much as occurred last summer regarding a still-mysterious sarin gas attack in Syria.
In both cases, rather than let independent investigators sort out the facts, President Barack Obama’s ever-aggressive State Department and the major U.S. media simply accepted that the designated villains of those two crises – Basharal-Assad in Syria and Russian President Vladimir Putin on Ukraine – were the guilty parties. Yet, some U.S. intelligence analysts dissented from both snap conventional wisdoms.
President Barack Obama talks with Ambassador Samantha Power, U.S. Permanent Representative to the United Nations, following a Cabinet meeting in the Cabinet Room of the White House, Sept. 12, 2013. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)
Regarding the shoot-down of the Malaysian jetliner on Thursday, I’m told that some CIA analysts cite U.S. satellite reconnaissance photos suggesting that the anti-aircraft missile that brought down Flight 17 was fired by Ukrainian troops from a government battery, not by ethnic Russian rebels who have been resisting the regime in Kiev since elected President ViktorYanukovych was overthrown on Feb. 22.
According to a source briefed on the tentative findings, the soldiers manning the battery appeared to be wearing Ukrainian uniforms and may have been drinking, since what looked like beer bottles were scattered around the site. But the source added that the information was still incomplete and the analysts did not rule out the possibility of rebel responsibility.
A contrary emphasis has been given to the Washington Post and other mainstream U.S. outlets. On Saturday, the Post reported that “on Friday, U.S. officials said a preliminary intelligence assessment indicated the airliner was blown up by an SA-11 surface-to-air missile fired by the separatists.” But the objectivity of the Obama administration, which has staunchly supported the coup regime, is in question as are the precise reasons for its judgments.
Interfax-Ukraine News Agency quotes Anton Gerashchenko, a Ukrainian interior ministry official, as saying: "Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 shot down over eastern Ukraine by militants"
Russia MOD presentation reveals that no missile launch was detected and that a Uktainian fighter plane was detected close to the Airliner just before it crashed
4-country agreement signed in Kiev by Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia to keep, information on the progress and results of the investigation of the disaster classified.
Holland, Belgium, Australia & Ukraine signed a “Non-Disclosure Agreement” that prevents any of them from disclosing the results of the MH17 investigation and gives any one of them arbitrary veto power over disclosure which is binding on the other signatories.
Russian Deputy Defense Minister AnatolyAntonov questions the lack of information from the Dutch supervised inquiry and the absence of answers to many reasonable questions already posed
The Dutch Safety Board preliminary report into the MH17 disaster published. It rules out crew/passenger actions or technical failure as the cause but says nothing else of substance that was not already known.
![Wichtig: Bitte weiterverbreiten! Neue Radardaten zeigen: MH17 war nicht allein! Nachdem das russische Staatsfernsehen gestern Satellitenbilder zeigte[1], die den Abschuss von Malaysian Airlines Flug MH17 dokumentieren sollen, berichtet RT Deutsch über neue Radardaten die gestern durch ein russisches Zentrum für Flugsicherung in der Nähe von Rostov, vorgelegt wurden. Laut diesen Radaraufzeichnungen, haben sich im Moment des Absturzes Militärflugzeuge in der Nähe der Maschine befunden. Die Radarbilder wurden von einem privaten Unternehmen für Flugsicherheit veröffentlicht. Die Beraterfirma Aviation Safety präsentierte einen Ausschnitt der Ablesung einer russischen Radarstation in der Nähe von Rostov, nahe der ukrainischen Grenze, kurz vor und zirka 20 Minuten nach dem Absturz.
Laut Sergej Melnichenko, Geschäftsführer des Beratungsunternehmens, befanden sich ein oder zwei Kriegsflugzeuge in der Nähe des malaysischen Jets im Moment der Tragödie. Die Daten werfen Zweifel auf, ob die vor allem von westlichen Staaten bevorzugte Version, dass das Flugzeug von ukrainischen Rebellen mit einer Boden-Luft-Rakete abgeschossen wurde, so aufrecht erhalten werden kann. „Die Daten zeigen klar, dass im Moment des Absturzes und danach, sich Flugzeuge nördlich des Boing-Kurses bewegten. Höchstwahrscheinlich waren sie militärisch, denn die Punkte sind sehr nah beieinander. Der Schluss ist, dass sich dort entweder ein oder zwei Flugzeuge befanden,“ führte Melnichenko weiter aus.
Weiterlesen:
http://www.rtdeutsch.com/6301/international/mh17-war-nicht-allein-neue-radardaten-zeigen-weitere-militar-jets/
Querverweise:
[1] Russisches Staatsfernsehen veröffentlicht Satellitenbilder
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